Feb 26 13:17:38 <Prod>	Hi guys
Feb 26 13:17:47 <Prod>	and welcome to this month's meeting
Feb 26 13:17:52 <Prod>	first off
Feb 26 13:17:52 <Kamaran>	IT'S A TRAP!
Feb 26 13:17:56 <Prod>	:D
Feb 26 13:18:06 <Prod>	everyone please vote for the next collaboration
Feb 26 13:18:18 <Prod>	It can be found http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Collaboration_of_the_Month
Feb 26 13:18:28 <Prod>	we'll be selecting the new one at the end of the day
Feb 26 13:18:48 <Prod>	ok, next up
Feb 26 13:19:04 <Prod>	there have been a few discussions about cleaning up the image categories in the past
Feb 26 13:19:30 <Prod>	i'd like to try getting this finalized and clean that section up
Feb 26 13:19:34 <Prod>	i've made a post here
Feb 26 13:19:35 <Prod>	http://forums.abxy.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26163&start=30#p419766
Feb 26 13:20:16 <Prod>	i'm suggesting everything above "Questionable usefulness:" is useful and should be kept
Feb 26 13:20:28 <Prod>	below "Delete" should be gotten rid of for sure
Feb 26 13:20:46 <Prod>	and everything _in_ the "Questionable usefulness:" section is up for debate
Feb 26 13:21:25 <Prod>	comments?
Feb 26 13:21:29 <Prod>	agree? disagree?
Feb 26 13:21:55 <Kamaran>	so you basically merge Charracters and Items into the Cropped images folder
Feb 26 13:22:10 <Prod>	essentially
Feb 26 13:22:34 <Prod>	and merge the accessory images into the system images category
Feb 26 13:22:37 <Kamaran>	so no reduction in storage, just the place where they are stored.
Feb 26 13:22:48 <Prod>	simplify organization
Feb 26 13:22:58 <Prod>	fewer extra categories that don't benefit anyone
Feb 26 13:23:12 <Kamaran>	well... who could disagree with simplicity?
Feb 26 13:23:24 <Kamaran>	when it is regarding stuff like this?
Feb 26 13:23:34 <Skizzerz>	I think keeping Controller buttons and Maps for sure is a boon
Feb 26 13:23:41 <Skizzerz>	or at the very least Maps
Feb 26 13:24:00 <Skizzerz>	basically, if something could fall into "x OR y", then it should be kept
Feb 26 13:24:06 <Prod>	see, i was initially thinking maps would be really good to keep
Feb 26 13:24:14 <Prod>	but they're all just diagrams or screenshots
Feb 26 13:24:19 <Skizzerz>	yes, note the or
Feb 26 13:24:29 <Skizzerz>	half the maps are in diagrams, the other half in screenshots
Feb 26 13:24:35 <Prod>	right
Feb 26 13:24:37 <Skizzerz>	it is now impossible to look through all of them at once
Feb 26 13:24:41 <Skizzerz>	if you delete Maps
Feb 26 13:24:45 <Prod>	but why would you want to see all maps?
Feb 26 13:25:00 <Skizzerz>	not all of them, but all of them for a specific game
Feb 26 13:25:10 <Prod>	then we have guide specific categories
Feb 26 13:25:15 <Skizzerz>	hmm, true
Feb 26 13:25:37 <Prod>	and this doesn't limit people from creating their own subcategories below the guide-specific images cat
Feb 26 13:25:48 <Prod>	I like Category:Controller buttons 
Feb 26 13:26:02 <Skizzerz>	currently, it looks like we have two categorization schemes: what the image is (format-wise), and what the image represents
Feb 26 13:26:04 <Prod>	don't think we should kill it
Feb 26 13:26:20 <Prod>	right, and i want to minimize the categorization :)
Feb 26 13:26:35 <Prod>	only categories that are actually useful
Feb 26 13:26:37 <Skizzerz>	do we have view statistics on these category pages?
Feb 26 13:26:41 <Prod>	not juts for the sake of categorization
Feb 26 13:26:54 <Prod>	category:subpages is used a lot
Feb 26 13:27:13 <Sigma7>	The Achiemenent, trophe, avatar award images could be merged into one category; the only difference between them is the platform. 
Feb 26 13:27:16 <Prod>	system categories are used a fair bit
Feb 26 13:27:24 <Prod>	and beyond that, none of the categories are used much
Feb 26 13:27:28 <Skizzerz>	category:subpages is used for the sake of making subpages not appear in uncategorized pages
Feb 26 13:27:51 <Skizzerz>	it'd be the equiv of putting all of our images in a category:images
Feb 26 13:27:56 <Kamaran>	let me know when you're finished with this debate :)
Feb 26 13:28:34 <Skizzerz>	anyway, I think the following is good:
Feb 26 13:28:39 <Prod>	i can agree with achievemnt/trophy images
Feb 26 13:28:49 <Prod>	but avatar award seems reasonable as a separate cat
Feb 26 13:29:19 <Prod>	since they're actual in-game rewards
Feb 26 13:29:30 <Prod>	and often inter-game dependent
Feb 26 13:29:32 <Skizzerz>	1. merge the achievement/trophy/avatar awards since they all represent unlockable "awards" of some sort (whether they be points or an actual prize)
Feb 26 13:29:48 <Skizzerz>	perhaps as "Award images"
Feb 26 13:29:50 <Prod>	i'd say subcat avatar awards
Feb 26 13:29:55 <Skizzerz>	yeah
Feb 26 13:29:57 <Skizzerz>	sounds good
Feb 26 13:30:03 <Skizzerz>	2. Merge controller buttons and arcade buttons
Feb 26 13:30:09 <Skizzerz>	*arcade controls
Feb 26 13:30:16 <Prod>	have you seen the pics in there?
Feb 26 13:30:28 <Prod>	they're photos of the front of the arcade
Feb 26 13:30:34 <Skizzerz>	yes, I know
Feb 26 13:30:37 <Prod>	nothing like the other controller buttons
Feb 26 13:30:55 <Skizzerz>	but they still represent how to interact with the buttons to play the game
Feb 26 13:30:57 <Prod>	i'd say they're more like system imges
Feb 26 13:31:14 <Skizzerz>	the point is, merge arcade controls with *something* or remove it :P
Feb 26 13:31:22 <Skizzerz>	system images sounds fine too
Feb 26 13:31:29 <Prod>	ok cool :)
Feb 26 13:31:40 <Prod>	i'll talk to procyon about that :)
Feb 26 13:31:51 <Skizzerz>	box artwork could probably go
Feb 26 13:32:03 <Prod>	could, but i think it's actually fun to look through :)
Feb 26 13:32:07 <Skizzerz>	yeah
Feb 26 13:32:36 <Skizzerz>	as for fighter portraits, how about making genre-specific cats in addition to guide-specific?
Feb 26 13:32:58 <Prod>	such as?
Feb 26 13:33:20 <Skizzerz>	then things that would be useful for one genre can be subcategorized there, but without making it "available" for other genres to use
Feb 26 13:33:43 <Skizzerz>	since fighter portraits is a good way to organize the fighting game characters, but it seems out of place at the global cat level
Feb 26 13:33:52 <Skizzerz>	and it would also be out of place at the per-game cat level
Feb 26 13:33:55 <Prod>	i dunno if there would be any other genre that would benefit like fighter portraits though
Feb 26 13:34:05 <Skizzerz>	RPG items :P
Feb 26 13:34:11 <Skizzerz>	but not really
Feb 26 13:34:22 <Skizzerz>	but that's about all I can think of
Feb 26 13:34:25 <Prod>	lets leave that one for later :P
Feb 26 13:34:40 <Prod>	we'll leave it for now, but have a first cut at cleanup
Feb 26 13:34:53 <Prod>	i haven't looked through all the subcategories of the current cats for other rogue categories :P
Feb 26 13:35:57 <Prod>	ok, i'll put up a post in the topic to summarize what we further discussed here
Feb 26 13:36:06 <Prod>	and next week we'll start the first round of delete
Feb 26 13:36:06 <Prod>	s
Feb 26 13:37:12 <Prod>	ok
Feb 26 13:37:16 <Prod>	next topic
Feb 26 13:37:21 <Prod>	the new Skin!
Feb 26 13:37:24 *	Skizzerz pokes a Kamaran
Feb 26 13:37:27 <Prod>	it's been up for a week now
Feb 26 13:37:29 <Skizzerz>	we're done with the debate ;)
Feb 26 13:37:30 <Kamaran>	word up
Feb 26 13:37:33 <Prod>	what do you guys all think?
Feb 26 13:37:51 <Kamaran>	didn't we talking about that last month?
Feb 26 13:37:59 <Prod>	we re-updated the skin :P
Feb 26 13:38:11 <Kamaran>	ehh....
Feb 26 13:38:20 *	Kamaran hits himself int he confusion
Feb 26 13:38:38 <Prod>	we cleaned up the top header
Feb 26 13:38:41 <Kamaran>	Prod, Y U NO TELL ME THIS!?!?!
Feb 26 13:38:44 <Prod>	added a background colour
Feb 26 13:39:00 <Sigma7>	And moved the toolbox to the side... It was previously blocking the edit text region.
Feb 26 13:39:08 <Prod>	yea, that was bugging me too :P
Feb 26 13:39:23 <Kamaran>	kk
Feb 26 13:39:34 <Prod>	Kamaran: we posted on facebook, twitter, front page announcements section
Feb 26 13:39:48 <Skizzerz>	oh, and the tabs are back on top where you'd expect them
Feb 26 13:39:49 *	Kamaran hangs on IRC
Feb 26 13:40:11 <Prod>	:P
Feb 26 13:40:28 <Prod>	so, any feedback?
Feb 26 13:40:56 <Skizzerz>	set up a highlight on "StrategyWiki:Announcements" in #strategywiki-rc so that you get notified of any new announcements?
Feb 26 13:41:04 <Kamaran>	did you perform any usability tests on it?
Feb 26 13:41:26 <Prod>	our own usability :)
Feb 26 13:41:38 <Prod>	we also based off of mediawiki's tests with vector
Feb 26 13:42:04 <Prod>	they did a lot of research building vector, and this new skin is based off that
Feb 26 13:42:19 <Kamaran>	kk.
Feb 26 13:42:31 <Prod>	we generally went for simple
Feb 26 13:42:33 <Kamaran>	it's not hard to find stuff. That's for sure
Feb 26 13:42:48 <Prod>	got rid of a ton of the links that were in the sidebar
Feb 26 13:42:53 <Prod>	i kinda miss Special:Random
Feb 26 13:43:00 <Prod>	but that was only really useful for testing
Feb 26 13:43:26 <Kamaran>	I use random page on Bulba :P
Feb 26 13:43:30 <Kamaran>	all the time xD
Feb 26 13:43:50 <Prod>	:D
Feb 26 13:43:52 <Skizzerz>	I use random on Wikipedia solely for the purpose of races
Feb 26 13:43:55 <Prod>	but i'd say it's more useful there
Feb 26 13:44:06 <Kamaran>	it is... it is
Feb 26 13:44:16 <Prod>	oh, looking at traffic though
Feb 26 13:44:27 <Prod>	the "browse games" button we have
Feb 26 13:44:29 <Kamaran>	you come to straty to find a guide. You use search. You find your guide. You read
Feb 26 13:44:35 <Prod>	tripled the traffic that page gets
Feb 26 13:44:39 <Skizzerz>	pick 2 random pages, try to get from page 1 to page 2 while only clicking on links. Links must be on the article itself, cannot be to countries and they must be to main namespace pages
Feb 26 13:44:46 <Skizzerz>	tis great fun with a group of people
Feb 26 13:44:47 <Prod>	hahaha
Feb 26 13:44:53 <Prod>	there was a website which did that
Feb 26 13:45:00 <Prod>	it was trying to prove the 6 degrees thing
Feb 26 13:45:39 <Prod>	so you guys know
Feb 26 13:45:49 <Prod>	we're calling this Dolphin 2.0
Feb 26 13:46:03 <Prod>	we'll be pushing out a few minor tweaks tomorrow night
Feb 26 13:46:07 <Skizzerz>	anyway, you were talking about the browse games button
Feb 26 13:46:19 <Skizzerz>	oh, you finished it
Feb 26 13:46:26 <Skizzerz>	I just didn't see it in the middle of my typing xD
Feb 26 13:46:28 <Prod>	:)
Feb 26 13:46:52 <Kamaran>	so... skin is super-duper
Feb 26 13:47:13 <Prod>	Let me know if you ever have any suggestions/complaints about it :)
Feb 26 13:47:21 <Prod>	we'll see what we can do about it
Feb 26 13:47:37 <Prod>	clear your cache on monday mornign to see some minor updates as well
Feb 26 13:47:42 <Prod>	you may not notice them though :P
Feb 26 13:48:01 <Prod>	Ok, next up is the front page system browser
Feb 26 13:48:14 <Prod>	we already have a discussion on the staff lounge, just want to bring some exposure to it
Feb 26 13:48:15 <Prod>	http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Staff_Lounge#iOS_in_system_browser
Feb 26 13:48:33 <Prod>	take a look and comment as necessary
Feb 26 13:48:59 <Prod>	so that's about all i had for agenda
Feb 26 13:49:14 <Prod>	any questions/comments/topics you guys have/want to bring up?
Feb 26 13:50:32 <Kamaran>	:/ I'm feeling an incoming tl;dr effect!
Feb 26 13:50:39 <Prod>	heh
Feb 26 13:50:55 <Prod>	it's got a pretty table on the side!
Feb 26 13:51:04 <Sigma7>	Hmm... spacing seems odd all of a sudden...
Feb 26 13:51:32 <Prod>	there's some issues with spacing on ToC pages
Feb 26 13:51:37 <Kamaran>	ye. Saw it Prod. And for a second there I was wondering why Xbox was on the last place... Then I saw 360
Feb 26 13:51:41 <Prod>	those should be cleared out
Feb 26 13:51:50 <Prod>	on monday
Feb 26 13:52:13 <Prod>	Kamaran: yea, noone plays xbox anymore :P
Feb 26 13:53:10 <Kamaran>	I'm surprised that DS > PC
Feb 26 13:53:55 <Sigma7>	DS = handheld (can be used almost anywhere), while PCs are generally anchored by a power cord.
Feb 26 13:53:58 <Prod>	ds is an amazingly well selling system :)
Feb 26 13:54:18 <Prod>	Sigma7: any other spacing issues other than the ToCs?
Feb 26 13:54:23 <Prod>	or rather, bulleted lists
Feb 26 13:54:51 <Kamaran>	I assume phones are included in 'Other'?
Feb 26 13:55:13 <Sigma7>	It's not with ToC, more like with editing pages.  It's like there's padding between paragraphs describing what to do when you first create a page.
Feb 26 13:55:31 <Prod>	other is actually a listing of all system categories
Feb 26 13:55:46 <Prod>	Sigma7: the preload buttons?
Feb 26 13:55:54 <Sigma7>	Before that.  
Feb 26 13:56:10 <Prod>	You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet. To create the page, start typing in the box below and click the preview or save buttons when you're ready (see the help page for more info). If you're here by mistake, just click your browser's back button. 
Feb 26 13:56:13 <Prod>	that paragraph?
Feb 26 13:56:35 <Sigma7>	Yes - it seems a bit different from what I remember.  
Feb 26 13:57:04 <Prod>	we did change the <p> spacing
Feb 26 13:57:25 <Prod>	so there's actually a full paragraph break between paragraphs, not just a line break
Feb 26 13:59:27 <Prod>	well, if there's no other questions, i'll end the meeting here
Feb 26 13:59:36 <Prod>	log will be up later today
Feb 26 13:59:40 <Prod>	thanks for joining everyone!
